Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Victory Monument (Verdun)

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Files in Category:Victory Monument (Verdun) edit

Per COM:FOP#France: the architecture is work by Léon Chesnay (1869-1949).[1]

Eleassar ^(t/p) 14:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deleted: . . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 15:03, 16 December 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Files in Category:Victory Monument (Verdun) edit

FOP France. Non-free architecture by Léon Chesnay d. 1962.

Labattblueboy (talk) 21:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Labattblueboy: the creator of the statue is Jean Boucher, who died in 1939. Photographs centered on the statue, such as File:Bastille Day 1979 military parade in Verdun France 17.jpg can be kept. --Le Petit Chat (talk) 21:36, 24 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Images that should be kept:

File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-L05373, Reichskriegsflagge über Verdun.jpg (only the statue and its basis)

File:DenkmalVerdun.jpg (idem?)

File:Sven Volkens - Verdun 03.JPG (?)

File:Verdun - monument de la Victoire (3).JPG

File:Verdun 4juni2006 043.jpg

File:Victory Monument pic1.JPG

File:Bastille Day 1979 military parade in Verdun France 17.jpg

--Le Petit Chat (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Le Petit Chat: Doesn't absolve the copyright of the architect. The execution of the statue would be by Jean Boucher but not necessarily the design. Given the central element the statue plays to the design, it's not conceivable that it was absent from architectural plans of Chesnay.--Labattblueboy (talk) 21:46, 24 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for you reply. I would like to emphasize that an architect may typically include in his plans a sketch of the statue (for instance : "a warrior standing, with his hands resting on a longsword") but he will not design the details of the statue itself. Unless the architect is a sculptor too, but this is not the case of Léon Chesnay. --Le Petit Chat (talk) 08:17, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

When a jury vote was the basis of selecting a winning memorial design, the creation of models was a common deliverable. Whether created for the competition or shortly thereafter, we do have images of a model from 1922.[2] Although the design clearly evolved, it's pretty clear that the design of Charlemagne was defined by that time. That said, this is splitting hairs as all source material gives joint recognition and, to my knowledge, no source indicates the design of Charlemagne to be the work of Boucher alone.--Labattblueboy (talk) 13:13, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deleted: per nomination deleted most. Information about the date of death of the architect apperantly changed since the first nomination. Undelete in 2033. Reason: NoFop in France. The images of the sculpture on its on could be maintained, the architecture in those images is de minimis .. perhaps the architect and the sculpturer talked about it, but that can not be reason to transfer the copyright to the architect. So the sculpture itself is now in PD and can be photographed and published with a free license.. --Elly (talk) 09:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]